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Assuming it doesn't, what do you do? Do you just wing it, or play printed adventures and give out stuff based on what's written?

I m thinking that I might ask my players to give me a list of stuff they d like to find, in order of preference, and I d like to be able to keep things at the right level, if only to give the illusion of balance. You might notice in this method, that basically until level 4, characters are going to have about 1 magic item and it s going to likely stick with them until level 8 or 9 as an important item.

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[5e] What are the appropriate type and quantity of magic items per level? (1 Viewer)

Since 5e doesn't give a value for magic items, it seems like it should be harder to give a per level amount of recommend items, but maybe I'm wrong. Does such a thing exist?

Assuming it doesn't, what do you do? Do you just wing it, or play printed adventures and give out stuff based on what's written?

I'm thinking that I might ask my players to give me a list of stuff they'd like to find, in order of preference, and I'd like to be able to keep things at the right level, if only to give the illusion of balance.

Theodoric

Validated User

You don't actually need to give your players magical items for them to 'keep up' with their enemies in 5e. Xanathar's Guide has some tips on magic item distribution, but you don't ever need to feel obliged to shower your players in magical items. Magical items are bonuses and rewards, not a completely necessary part of adventuring. (Though of course, at higher levels you might get issues with enemies resistant to magical weapons, but that can also be part of the challenge)

I'm thinking that I might ask my players to give me a list of stuff they'd like to find, in order of preference, and I'd like to be able to keep things at the right level, if only to give the illusion of balance.

That's a good approach. If you roughly stick to the rarity-by-level chart on page 135 of the DMG, that'll do fine.

capnzapp

Active member

If you want to run adventures as written, the only way to maintain a challenge for reasonably effective players is to hand out very little magic to their characters. In fact, "none at all" is a completely reasonable stance to take.

But obviously everyone loves magic items, so that might not be possible or even desirable. Just remember, if your players are minmaxing a little, magic items make most fights too easy. A shame, but there's no use hiding the truth.

There are some secrets to magic items. (When I say "don't do this", remember that if you know what you're doing, you can break any rule)

* Previous edition adventures hand out WAY too much loot for 5th edition. I mean it's so much it's not even funny. Simple guidelines. Remove ALL magic items, at least all permanent non-consumable loot. Yes, everything. Then add back ONE item to every major treasure hoard. (The bugbear king's loot. The Behir Nest. The Necromancer's Crypt. That sort of thing) Meaning that 90% of all 3rd edition loot becomes simply unmagical. If not 99%! (Remember, I'm not including healing potions and other consumables) That should recalibrate you properly for 5E. Then you can start to add more in when you feel you've got a handle on things.

* 5th edition pricing doesn't work. Like, at all. Just forget about rarity and the DMGs pricing guidelines completely. You will thank me later.

* Offense isn't the problem, you can always add another monster. Defense, on the other hand, can kill a campaign. Don't hand out magical "best in class" armor. (Meaning Leather +1 is fine, while Studded Leather might not be). Be especially wary about allowing characters to combine two magical AC items. What this means in plain English is, a character with plate mail +3 and a shield +3 is a broken character. You could do much worse than to simply remove ALL items with defensive items (plus to AC).

* Saves are broken at high level. An end-level boss monster will easily have spells and other effects that a character can't defend against. At all. Nope, not even if he rolls a 20. Since this is clearly broken and unfun as frak, feel free to be generous with save-boosting items.

* Do not remove the attunement rule. Yes, it feels harsh. But it also is absolutely vital in maintaining that delicate feeling of "should I upgrade or stick with the item I already have." Lots of DMs remove it without even waiting to see it work in action. So play a campaign up til 20th level first before you decide.

* Attunement alone won't save AC boosting items. I wasn't kidding above. The simple advice is: NEVER hand out an +AC item, not even if you add attunement to it. You can thank me fifteen levels later.

* As for more detailed advice, you could do worse than having a look at Sane's list of "game-changing items". Do not add one of these without careful consideration, meaning you truly understand what they do, why that might be "game changing", and that you're fine with that. (Do note that plain magic armor is on this list!):

+1 Armor
+1 Shield
Sending Stones
Wings of Flying
Alchemy Jug
+2 Armor
+2 Shield
Ebony Fly
Bronze Griffon
Broom of Flying
Serpentine Owl
Winged Boots
Dwarven Plate
Potion of Longevity
Carpet of Flying
Ring of Regeneration
Sphere of Annihila*tion
Armor of Invulnera*bility
Talisman of the Sphere
+3 Armor
+3 Shield
Defender
Ring of Earth Ele*mental Command
Robe of the Archmagi
Ring of Air Elemental Command
Cubic Gate
Crystal Ball
Helm of Teleporta*tion
Daern's Instant For*tress
Ring of Telekinesis
Cloak of Invisibility
Rod of Security
Staff of Power
Obsidian Steed
Decanter of Endless Water
Amulet of the Planes

SaveVsDeath

Validated User

If you want to run adventures as written, the only way to maintain a challenge for reasonably effective players is to hand out very little magic to their characters. In fact, "none at all" is a completely reasonable stance to take.

But obviously everyone loves magic items, so that might not be possible or even desirable. Just remember, if your players are minmaxing a little, magic items make most fights too easy. A shame, but there's no use hiding the truth.

There are some secrets to magic items. (When I say "don't do this", remember that if you know what you're doing, you can break any rule)

* Previous edition adventures hand out WAY too much loot for 5th edition. I mean it's so much it's not even funny. Simple guidelines. Remove ALL magic items, at least all permanent non-consumable loot. Yes, everything. Then add back ONE item to every major treasure hoard. (The bugbear king's loot. The Behir Nest. The Necromancer's Crypt. That sort of thing) Meaning that 90% of all 3rd edition loot becomes simply unmagical. If not 99%! (Remember, I'm not including healing potions and other consumables) That should recalibrate you properly for 5E. Then you can start to add more in when you feel you've got a handle on things.

* 5th edition pricing doesn't work. Like, at all. Just forget about rarity and the DMGs pricing guidelines completely. You will thank me later.

* Offense isn't the problem, you can always add another monster. Defense, on the other hand, can kill a campaign. Don't hand out magical "best in class" armor. (Meaning Leather +1 is fine, while Studded Leather might not be). Be especially wary about allowing characters to combine two magical AC items. What this means in plain English is, a character with plate mail +3 and a shield +3 is a broken character. You could do much worse than to simply remove ALL items with defensive items (plus to AC).

* Saves are broken at high level. An end-level boss monster will easily have spells and other effects that a character can't defend against. At all. Nope, not even if he rolls a 20. Since this is clearly broken and unfun as frak, feel free to be generous with save-boosting items.

* Do not remove the attunement rule. Yes, it feels harsh. But it also is absolutely vital in maintaining that delicate feeling of "should I upgrade or stick with the item I already have." Lots of DMs remove it without even waiting to see it work in action. So play a campaign up til 20th level first before you decide.

* Attunement alone won't save AC boosting items. I wasn't kidding above. The simple advice is: NEVER hand out an +AC item, not even if you add attunement to it. You can thank me fifteen levels later.

* As for more detailed advice, you could do worse than having a look at Sane's list of "game-changing items". Do not add one of these without careful consideration, meaning you truly understand what they do, why that might be "game changing", and that you're fine with that. (Do note that plain magic armor is on this list!):

+1 Armor
+1 Shield
Sending Stones
Wings of Flying
Alchemy Jug
+2 Armor
+2 Shield
Ebony Fly
Bronze Griffon
Broom of Flying
Serpentine Owl
Winged Boots
Dwarven Plate
Potion of Longevity
Carpet of Flying
Ring of Regeneration
Sphere of Annihila*tion
Armor of Invulnera*bility
Talisman of the Sphere
+3 Armor
+3 Shield
Defender
Ring of Earth Ele*mental Command
Robe of the Archmagi
Ring of Air Elemental Command
Cubic Gate
Crystal Ball
Helm of Teleporta*tion
Daern's Instant For*tress
Ring of Telekinesis
Cloak of Invisibility
Rod of Security
Staff of Power
Obsidian Steed
Decanter of Endless Water
Amulet of the Planes

That's. a lot of interesting magic items. Like, all of them except weapons. Wow, maybe the problem isn't the items, but the inability of DM's to handle characters that actually have mobility and staying power. I noticed all of the 'permanent, reliable flight' items are on there as well as magical armor that actually improves your defenses and stuff that gives always-on effects in general. But regardless, taking away all of those items seems. not fun.

Lord Crimson

Prophet of Darkness

That's. a lot of interesting magic items. Like, all of them except weapons. Wow, maybe the problem isn't the items, but the inability of DM's to handle characters that actually have mobility and staying power. I noticed all of the 'permanent, reliable flight' items are on there as well as magical armor that actually improves your defenses and stuff that gives always-on effects in general. But regardless, taking away all of those items seems. not fun.

That was kinda my thought as well, though I can appreciate the "these items WILL change your game" warning.

But I'm honestly boggled by the potion of longevity being on there. Age almost never comes up in most people's D&D games. so the only issue would be if your PCs are still at starting age and suddenly become even younger (and that's more. uncomfortable than actually game changing).

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You could do a lot worse than using [MENTION=67088]Blacky the Blackball[/MENTION]'s treasure supplement. That'll give you some very useful guidelines for distributing treasure, monetary as well as magic. It will even allow you to run gold-as-xp games.
Check it out: https://gurbintrollgames.wordpress.com/blackballs-treasure-2/

Uthred

Nature's critical miss

1 common consumable every level from 1 to 5.
1 uncommon consumable every level from 6 to 10.
1 rare consumable every level from 11 to 15.
1 very rare consumable every level from 16 to 19.
1 legendary consumable at level 20.

1 uncommon permanent item at level 4, and another at level 7.
1 rare permanent item at level 10 and another at level 13.
1 very rare permanent item at level 16.
1 legendary permanent item at level 19.

for my last two campaigns and they didn't explode. At the same time I didn't want to be handing out new stuff all the time so I designed a main magic item for each of the pc's with a backstory and little cosmetic effects and such and then tied them into a quest each tier or having to kill x or y with it so they could "level" up their weapons each tier without dumping their ancestral sword or what have you.

mitchw

Viral Marketing Shill?

There are tables to roll on in the GMs guide to see how much treasure a single enemy has and how much treasure is in the 'hoard'. The random rolls can result in magic items.

I know I have used on-line 5e treasure generators that as the level of the enemy and give you the random, appropriate results.

The only problem I have found with low magic is making sure there are enough weapons (or spells that can be applied to weapons) so that enemies that can only be hit by magic can be dealt with.

thorya

Statistical out-liar

I have always found it better to instead rate magic items by the level at which a character can perform something roughly equivalent.

1. An item that gives a character an ability that would only be achievable by a character at a significantly higher level (to me 3+ levels higher, YMMV) is likely to cause issues. Carefully consider how and if to incorporate the item into the game at this point. Maybe wait a little while.
2. An item that gives a character an ability that is achievable by a character around the same level (to me 2+/-) is probably going to be a powerful and useful item for the character for a while and will make things much easier for the character. It will require a little bit of work to balance, especially to keep the player from stepping on other player's toes, but it's not game breaking. I try to go for one per character.
3. An item that gives a character an ability that is achievable by a character a few levels lower (3-5 levels lower) is useful for a character, especially in broadening their abilities or giving them options once they've expended their big abilities. These don't really require much balancing at all except in edge cases or if the character has a lot of them. I try to go for two or three per character.
4. An item that gives a character an ability that is achievable by a much lower level character (6+ levels lower) is only marginally useful for most characters, best for filling in some major missing piece, but not likely to be game breaking unless they are stacked ridiculously or otherwise abused. I generally give these pretty freely.

The slower power curve in 5e makes this calculation a lot different than previous editions. With 3e, my ranges were (+2 level higher or more), (1 +/-), (2-3 lower), (4+ lower), because magic items went from super useful to utter junk a lot faster. Also, the rules assumed a certain amount of vanilla numerical bonus items to keep the treadmill turning, so those were discounted for me previously compared to 5e and the concentration rules significantly boosted the value of many magic items. Keep in mind that some magic items have abilities that characters cannot replicate and so these tend to always fall into one of the top two categories.

You might notice in this method, that basically until level 4, characters are going to have about 1 magic item and it's going to likely stick with them until level 8 or 9 as an important item. Around level 6-7 is when you start to get more free with the magic items, especially basic stuff like potions and consumable boosts. Most of the "problem" items or other powerful stuff isn't really on the table until level 10 and doesn't become common place until level 16-17.

If that feels not magical enough for you or you just want everyone to be geared up like in previous editions, try running adventures for characters two levels higher and try using this guide for items as if the characters are 3 levels higher. That shifts the point where consumables become common place to level 3-4 and would set the expectation that your 2nd level characters are probably looking at three or so magic items a piece.

Since someone posted a list, this is how I would gauge them with a quick look:
+1 Armor (roughly level 4, you get an attribute boost that could you a +1 to dex or some other attribute that boosts defense)
+1 Shield (roughly level 4, you get an attribute boost that could you a +1 to dex or some other attribute that boosts defense)
Sending Stones (level 5, you can get the sending spell which is more versatile)
Wings of Flying (Level 7, fly is a 3rd level which makes it a Level 5 ability, but this doesn't require concentration, so it's closer to a 4th level fly where someone else is maintaining it for you)
Alchemy Jug (This is complicated. I don't feel like digging my book out, but I think it creates poison and potions? An endless source of those seems like the equivalent of having a lot of first level spells, so I'd put it somewhere around Level 13)
+2 Armor (level 8, you need two attribute boosts to net this)
+2 Shield (Same)
Ebony Fly (Level 9, it's got a much bigger duration than the spell fly and doesn't require concentration and it's a creature you can control)
Bronze Griffon (Same)
Broom of Flying (Level 10, it has unlimited use and some secondary abilities that can be used creatively).
Serpentine Owl (Not sure, it's not clear if it can carry you as a giant owl, which makes a big difference)
Winged Boots (Level 9, same as above)
Dwarven Plate (Level 8)
Potion of Longevity (No idea, it feels more like a macguffin)
Carpet of Flying (Level 11-13, Depends on size. Here it's mostly the extra passengers upping the level)
Ring of Regeneration (Level 7, 1d6 every ten minutes isn't super useful in a fight, but is great in down time to keep a cleric from burning spells or if you're out of hit dice for some reason. Eyeballing, this feels like the point where saving your cleric some low level healing spells or being able to avoid a short rest ends up not being a big deal. Hey, I'm just ball parking here anyway)
Sphere of Annihila*tion (Level 13, in combat this is a 4d10 damage weapon. That's pretty awesome at low levels, but stops being impressive very fast. It also can be turned back on you, so most people neglect it. This is ranked so high because of the real use for this, just absolutely wrecking scenery and other obstacles. This is Knock, a burrowing speed, Pass Wall, collapse a building, set trap, etc. The versatility makes it hard to judge, but it feels like a level 7 spell. What do I know?)
Armor of Invulnera*bility (Level 10, the base power is basically permanent stone skin (a fourth level spell). The secondary power is super useful, but chances are if you're level 10 a lot of the things you're fighting have some way of dealing magical damage that's going to negate the big ability)
Talisman of the Sphere (Level 13?, this is a rider item on a sphere of annihilation. If you don't know where one of those is, it's useless.)
+3 Armor (Level 12, three ability boosts)
+3 Shield (same)
Defender (Level 13, the base +3 to attack and damage is basically three ability boosts, moving it to armor doesn't change that, but I bumped it one for the versatility)
Ring of Earth Ele*mental Command (Level 12, It gives wall of stone, so it's at least Level 11. Plus a few bonus abilities including a unique movement.)
Robe of the Archmagi (Level 14, gives effectively a +2 to ac compared to mage armor, that's 2 attribute boosts, plus it gives an effective +2 to proficiency bonus for your spells. Both of those are Level 8. Going to just count the second one as 50% for 12 and then give it a +2 for the extra magic protection)
Ring of Air Elemental Command (Level 13, It gives chain lightning, so it's at least Level 11. Plus a few bonus abilities including concentration less fly.)
Cubic Gate (Level 17, you can use gate, 9th level spell, done)

Looking up these items is taking a while, so I'm going to stop there. Basically, the above is what I would do once you've got a list of cool items you want to include or their wish list of items they'd like to see in the game to figure out where to introduce them.

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