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“If I’m completely honest, I don’t think I would have wanted to be a mascot if I was at a different school where you had to wear a big head or a mask,” Cook said.
In fact, the most problematic of Native American mascots is the Redskin who does not typify sterotypes, but shows a regal and majestic chief even though the team name does need to change as it is insensitive. You might compare this to the Chief Illini logo, as well as the University of Illinois student performing as Chief Illini, both in the original mascots post.
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Notre Dame athletics mascot
A couple of weeks ago I posted about American Indian sports mascots. An interesting comparison to spark discussion, and an example students often bring up, is the University of Notre Dame’s mascot. The name of the Notre Dame athletic teams is the Fighting Irish, and the official mascot is the leprechaun (image found at Wikipedia):
Each year a student is chosen to be the leprechaun. Here is an image (found here) of the Notre Dame leprechaun performing at a game:
According to the Notre Dame website, the leprechaun did not become the official mascot until 1965; before that, the university was represented by Irish terrier dogs.
You might compare this to the Chief Illini logo, as well as the University of Illinois student performing as Chief Illini, both in the original mascots post. It brings up some interesting issues for discussion. Is there any difference between the the Fighting Irish and the Fighting Illini (or the Fighting Sioux, the Redskins, etc.)? Does the existence of the Fighting Irish invalidate opposition to American Indian mascots? Opponents to Indian mascots often argue that they objectify American Indians in a way that would not be allowed if used against African Americans or Asians–that this modern form of blackface is acceptable only when used to mimic Native American groups or cultural traditions. Those who support American Indian mascots often use the Fighting Irish to try to invalidate that criticism–to argue that Whites are also used as mascots and don’t seem to mind (to my knowledge, there is no movement against the Notre Dame mascot based on the idea that it is offensive to the Irish), and thus that critics of American Indian mascots are over-sensitive whiners.
Opponents of American Indian mascots respond that, first, this is one example, compared to the many, many American Indian mascots found throughout the U.S., and second, whereas Americans of Irish descent face no systematic ethnicity-based discrimination in the U.S. today (and haven’t for several decades), Native Americans still do. In addition, they argue that many American Indian groups openly oppose Indian mascots, and that their voices deserve to be heard; presumably, if Irish-Americans began to protest the Fighting Irish mascot, the same logic would hold and, indeed, those opposing American Indian mascots would oppose the Fighting Irish as well.
This might be useful not just for a discussion of sports mascots, but more generally for a discussion of the idea of equivalency in discrimination. I see this a lot with students–if, for instance, we’re discussing sexual harassment and they can point to an example when a man was sexually harassed by a woman, then they argue that men are affected just like women, and thus it has nothing to do with gender inequality or power. I suspect those who bring up Notre Dame in an effort to invalidate arguments against Indian mascots are doing the same thing–if a White ethnic mascot exists, then charges that Indian mascots are racist can be dismissed. It’s a false form of equalizing because it ignores the lop-sidedness of the “equality” (the tiny number of non-Indian racialized mascots compared to the number of Indian ones) and the role of systemic inequality (that American Indians are underrepresented at colleges and universities and face racial discrimination in a way that Irish-Americans do not). And it also serves to discount opponents’ voices by saying that if any social group wouldn’t be opposed to a particular type of portrayal or treatment, then no one else has any right to be offended by it, either, regardless of their different histories, treatment, or social positions.
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mike — October 5, 2008
Another point to bring up is that while many of the Notre Dame students are of Irish descent, not many of the players on the Redskins are Native Americans. Thus you could easily make the argument that even though the Fighting Irish mascot is a bit racist, at least many of the people who came up with it and who are represented by it are of Irish descent. therefore, it's like making fun of yourself. Just like it's okay to call yourself fat but not someone else, it's more okay to apply a racial stereotype to your race than it is to apply one to a race that no one in your group actually is.
po — October 5, 2008
The point of bring up the Fighting Irish in this debate is that those against Native American mascots have a tendency to suggest that such mascots are insulting on their face. The existence of even a single well received "ethnic" mascot - like the one at ND - belies this argument. If Native Americans wish to feel insulted by the mascots, that is a decision they make, but it is not an obvious or necessary one.
As I said in the original posting on this, they should just change the names of these mascots to The Fighting Homesteaders or The Fighting Pioneers and be done with it.
Etain — October 6, 2008
~"Does the existence of the Fighting Irish invalidate opposition to American Indian mascots?"~
No, not at all. The Irish have not faced racial discrimination in the US for generations. And yes, the Irish were considered a different race but things have changed radically. In any case, it does not even compare to the genocide Native American tribes faced by colonial and later American governmental powers. There is still discrimination and poverty on top of it all. Not every NA agrees on the mascot issue but I think we should respect those who take issue. In one instance at least in Florida State Uni, the school asked permission of the Seminoles to use the name and image some years ago and have been in partnership with them offering scholarships and programs, working with the tribe.
The Irish have been very good at embracing stereotypes and slurs and turning them matters of pride. That has been a luxury afforded more by white privilege than by anything magically delicious, lol. I'm not wild about Leprechaun stuff in general but Notre Dame gets a pass.
Kirsten — October 6, 2008
Mmmm. If you try to imagine this happening in a place where the Irish have traditionally been discriminated against, I think it would indeed come over as racist.
While there are sports teams in mainland Great Britain which draw on an Irish heritage (Celtic, or Hibernian, which are Scottish football teams, or London Irish rugby) they are all very neutrally named. All the teams I've mentioned were originally formed with players who were Irish or of Irish descent, and though this is far from true now, Celtic in particular has been associated even fairly recently with the sectarian struggle in Northern Ireland (though the club has tried hard to dissociate itself, as has its rival Rangers).
I'm pretty sure that if anyone tried to associate violent behaviour with any of these clubs' names (even if it's meant in the sense of "fighting to win") it would be considered a public relations disaster. Rugby fans have never had a reputation for hooliganism*, and Scottish football fans never had the fearsome reputation of English fans, but there has been violence between Rangers and Celtic fans, and it's something the teams are keen to get away from. So would they ever choose a mascot in an aggressive stance with fists up? No.
Harry Potter notwithstanding, folksy leprechaun stuff isn't very popular in Britain, anyway (Lucky Charms cereal was launched here with some fanfare in the 90s, but failed to sell and is now only available as an expensive import. ) I don't think this is down to discomfort about our shared history; Guinness keeps selling when other beers decline, and we have Irish pubs.
*Which is, of course, a word coined to describe the behaviour of Irish gangs in the nineteenth century.
Eoin — October 6, 2008
Mock me will ya? Wait'll I get me shillelagh and give you what's for ye yank ya.
I'll get my green coat.
Sociological Images » DUTCH SOCCER CLUB NICKNAMED “THE JEWS” — December 9, 2008
[. ] Indian mascots (for examples, see this post) and Notre Dame’s Fighting Irish mascot (see post here). Critics of American Indian mascots often ask questions along the lines of “What would [. ]
New American Dimensions » Blog Archive » Another battle over Native American images — March 15, 2009
[. ] what about the Fighting Irish? Why are Irish-Americans not protesting Notre Dame’s image of a hostile leprechaun? It might [. ]
eyelinerpirate — June 12, 2009
Anonymous — September 16, 2009
Also Leprechauns are fictional, and Native Americans aren't.
Joe Pelletier — November 13, 2009
When Chief Illiniwek is dancing around on the field, banging a drum and attempting a spiritual style dance, it is a direct patronization of the Illini culture and spiritual religion.
The leprechaun has no real sense of importance to the Irish, in fact, IT'S MYTHICAL! When a leprechaun runs out onto the field, no one is offended and says that ND is representing the Irish culture all wrong. The mascot is not representative of the Irish culture.
Chief Illiniwek IS representative of the Illini.
That's the difference.
darwins_secret_mistress — January 3, 2010
I wish their mascot was still a dog! Or at least had red hair. Come on! If you're going to get stereotypical, you have to go all the way. BTW, I'm of Irish descent and while I HATE the seldomly encountered but still popular notion that redheads have hot tempers, and while I know that Irish people are stereotyped as drunken pants-poopers, I don't really mind the mascot. Although a terrier in the same fighting stance would be so much better!
Dad — March 14, 2011
You idiots. The "Fighting Irish" were a squad of Irish WWI soldiers known for their ferocity in battle.
Fighting leprechaun pictures — July 9, 2011
[. ] Notre Dames Fighting Irish Mascot В» Sociological Images Oct 5, 2008 … Here is an image (found here) of the Notre Dame leprechaun performing at a game: … [. ]
A 40-Yr Husker Fan — September 19, 2011
What about Harry Husker of the Nebraska Cornhuskers? He's a blonde, white farm guy in overalls. He's the team mascot and is at every game.
Punksmurf — November 7, 2011
To DAD. Their mascot is not a "Doughboy" and Notre Dame university does not acknowledge any official connection to this group. The idiot here is not the infamous "them" but "you" sir.
JTP — November 9, 2013
Many people don't know this, but the majority (53%) of victims of sexual aussult in the US military are, in fact, men. You would never know this based on the public discourse on the issue. Likewise, the vast, v-a-s-t, majority of victims of crime in the US are white people (European-Americans). Again , one would never imagine that based on the discourse in the media and among ethnic-studies academic hacks like the author of this poorly written article.
Food for thought.
mascotfan — March 17, 2015
What about Providence Friars? I don't see Catholics upset about monks dancing on the sideline.
I don't see people in West Virginia getting upset over the portrayal of Mountain Men.
There are LOTS of other examples. It is not just Notre Dame and the Irish. Using a Native American mascot is not the same as blackface. This a false equivalency. In fact, the most problematic of Native American mascots is the Redskin who does not typify sterotypes, but shows a regal and majestic chief (even though the team name does need to change as it is insensitive).
mascotfan — March 17, 2015
What about the Edinboro Fighting Scotts?
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